Exaggerated base antenna gain claims.

[Maniac373]

Found this article.. This is useful info, truth revealed!

Exaggerated antenna gain claims for single element omni directional antennas.
On the 27 MHz CB band, the taller a vertical omni directional antenna the higher the gain up to about 23 feet.* After 23 feet the gain of the antenna begins to decrease. There is no magic bullet to escape this rule. The highest real gain omni-directional CB antennas currently on the market are the full length 5/8 wave and .64 wave antennas. 1/2 antennas have less gain than 5/8 wave and .64 wave antennas, and 1/4 wave antennas have less gain than .64 wave, 5/8 wave, and 1/2 wave antennas.
5/8 wave and .64 wave antennas also have a much lower angle of radiation than 1/2 wave and 1/4 wave antennas. A low angle of radiation really pays off when trying to talk to distance skip station in excess of 1500 miles.
A high angle of radiation (30 degrees above the horizon) such as a that offered by a horizontal 1/2 wave dipole about 18 feet off the ground may actually out perform a .64 or 5/8 wave vertical antenna when talking skip to stations closer than 1200 miles, but the 5/8 and .64 wave antennas will be the clear winner when talking skip to stations more than 2000 miles away.
I'll post a more detailed essay on the angle of radiation at a later date. Just know that the best antenna for talking skip to stations over 2000 miles away is not necessarily the best antenna for talking skip to stations closer than 1200 miles. An antenna with a low angle of radiation is always the superior performer locally (non-skip).
Below is a quick analysis of some common omni-directional CB antennas.

* Solarcon IMax 2000 (also called I-Max 2000) = .64 wave antenna
* Shakespear NBS-2010 Base Antenna = 5/8 wave antenna
* Solarcon A99 = 1/2 wave antenna
* Solarcon IMax-99 = 1/2 wave antenna
* Shakespear 176-GBS 18' Super Big Stick = 1/2 wave antenna
* Antron 99 = 1/2 wave antenna **
* Star Duster = 1/4 wave ground plane antenna
* Astroplane = 1/4 antenna or slightly longer, but not a 1/2 wave
* SkyLab T233 10 Meter Commercial Base Antenna = 1/4 wave ground plane
* Maco 5/8 wave ground plane***

** The Antron 99 claims to be a 1/2 wave over a 1/4 wave antenna, and it is. What they do not tell you is the bottom 1/4 wave section is for matching purposes only, and only the top 1/2 wave section radiates any appreciable power. For gain comparisons consider it a 1/2 wave antenna.
*** The Maco 5/8 wave ground plane antenna is not a true 5/8 wave antenna on 27 MHz. It is only about 20 feet long, but it should out perform a 1/2 wave antenna or a 1/4 wave antenna. The four aluminum ground radials should give it better isolation against near field ground losses when the antenna is less than a 36 feet off the ground than a "big stick" style antenna without a radial kit.
The half wave dipole is considered to be the legitimate engineering standard for gain comparison. A "5.0 dbd gain" claim means 5 db gain over a 1/2 wave dipole. If the gain just says "db" gain they are not telling you what the antenna has gain over. For all you know it could be gain over a radio with no antenna plugged up.
"dbi" means gain over an isotropic antenna. An isotropic antenna radiates equally in all directions including up, down, diagonal, and everything in between. An isotropic antenna is an antenna that exist only in theory. A 1/2 wave dipole is a real antenna, and it is the preferred measuring stick by which legitimate antenna measurements are made.
The best way to avoid being fooled is to measure the vertical antenna element.

[duckkiller127]

Very good post, most people do not realize these facts and they are easily confused

And now you know part of the reason that 55 doesn't advertise a gain figure for his antennas, because of this confusion and skewing of the facts by different manufacturers makes gain claims about useless

[Stickman]

This is a little into what we were talking about in the Merlin 55 thread, the claims are what gets everyone, and the post says they do not tell you what they are comparing it to.

[BOOTY MONSTER]

very informative post . thanks . could you provide the link to the origional information ?
the location where a station is located will dictate which is better . if youre down in a hole an antenna with a higher angle of radiation can help .

starduster type antennas only radiate from the top half also since the bottom half is ground radials . some say that adding coils to a radiator to shorten its length also reduces its perormance , some will say thats not true . some even say if you run the ground radials on a star duster straight down on one that it effectively becomes a dipole .

[Maniac373]

This is the "meat and potatoes" of this article--


The half wave dipole is considered to be the legitimate engineering standard for gain comparison. A "5.0 dbd gain" claim means 5 db gain over a 1/2 wave dipole. If the gain just says "db" gain they are not telling you what the antenna has gain over. For all you know it could be gain over a radio with no antenna plugged up.
"dbi" means gain over an isotropic antenna. An isotropic antenna radiates equally in all directions including up, down, diagonal, and everything in between. An isotropic antenna is an antenna that exist only in theory. A 1/2 wave dipole is a real antenna, and it is the preferred measuring stick by which legitimate antenna measurements are made.
The best way to avoid being fooled is to measure the vertical antenna element.

Maniac

[Mr. 557]

This is the "meat and potatoes" of this article--


The half wave dipole is considered to be the legitimate engineering standard for gain comparison. A "5.0 dbd gain" claim means 5 db gain over a 1/2 wave dipole. If the gain just says "db" gain they are not telling you what the antenna has gain over. For all you know it could be gain over a radio with no antenna plugged up.
"dbi" means gain over an isotropic antenna. An isotropic antenna radiates equally in all directions including up, down, diagonal, and everything in between. An isotropic antenna is an antenna that exist only in theory. A 1/2 wave dipole is a real antenna, and it is the preferred measuring stick by which legitimate antenna measurements are made.
The best way to avoid being fooled is to measure the vertical antenna element.

Maniac

Exactly correct! You beat me to it!!

[Wheeler]

Great article

[Marconi]

Just for the sake of a different point of view to consider on this topic.

The article gives some conclusions about gain from the typical sizes of 11 meter vertical antennas we use, namely ¼ wave, ½ wave, 5/8 wave, and .64 wave. This old boy ideas on gain are pretty common knowledge and technically summarized in the following charts.

Consider the information in this image.

http://img103.imageshack.us/img103/5232/58wavemystiqueju1.jpg

If you will notice the top chart indicates the vertical patterns of the antennas in the vertical plane at right angles to the direction of the antenna. You are standing on the horizon looking at a vertical antenna radiate towards the horizon to your right. The last ring is the 0 db and the 3 rings beyond that are 1,2,3 db improved gain rings beyond 0 db. You can see from the legend provided how the three size antenna patterns apply to the rings showing gain in the chart. This agrees exactly with the claims of gain in the article. However, there is a factor noted in these charts descriptions that must be taken into account when making a determination about what the chart implies for an antenna over real earth and in our back yard. My words here and the charts do not even consider factors associated with antennas in free space vs our back yards either.

Both of these charts are base on the fact that gains are noted for antennas over an infinite conducting plane, not over real earth and not in free space. Where is your antenna?????

This is the point I raise and is what throws a monkey wrench into a casual acceptance of what this article implies strictly about antenna gain. I do not wish to imply that the article or the chart is wrong, false, are is a lie. This is just about letting us be aware that there are other things that must be considered.

For me this helps explains a lot about varying reports of gain and other responses with antennas from people all over and can help explain how 55's Merlin that Coolbreeze tells us about works so well, even when compared to some bigger antennas.

Antennas are affected severely, both constructively and destructively by the presence of earth and it has been shown with good modeling that these gain figures reported above can be and often are about the same value (equalized) among all of these antennas under certain circumstances. These affects are much greater than factors about design, tuning, SWR, size, material, take of angle, even height above ground.

If you don’t believe this, then just try a trip on a saltwater ferry in your mobile some day with a friend on land waiting to talk with you and check it out. You will see how important it is---what is under the antenna in the near field and why being over an infinite conducting plane is so important and overstates your antenna gain.

[Stagecoach]

let me try to understand what it is that is being said ???????.....is it being implied that the 55 merlin is a Exaggerated claim antenna????......

[Marconi]

let me try to understand what it is that is being said ???????.....is it being implied that the 55 merlin is a Exaggerated claim antenna????......

No! Stagecoach. I'm saying maybe the article is a bit of exaggeration.

My words were meant to suggest exactly the very opposite implication.

If you just look at the source article, most would come away with the idea that an antenna with a 1/4 wave radiator cannot even come close by 3 db, to competing with the larger antennas noted. I was just making the point that the facts presented by the article and the charts do not take into account how mother earth affects antennas. The charts are conclusions for these antennas over an infinite conducting plane and they are probably the source for the gain and best lenght of radiator facts in the article.

Read the fine print under each chart describing what the chart is telling the reader.

[BOOTY MONSTER]

Very good post, most people do not realize these facts and they are easily confused

And now you know part of the reason that 55 doesn't advertise a gain figure for his antennas, because of this confusion and skewing of the facts by different manufacturers makes gain claims about useless

does he have a gain figgure for the merlin ? if he were to make that figgure known (if even he knows) couldnt he just explain which measurement (db , dbd , dbi ) he uses and how it compares to the others ?

[Stagecoach]

making lil comments like (does he even know)when speaking of 55 who is a friend and my tech. makes me think your digging info to twist it (the info your seeking) into a negative.(if that is the case not very becoming )

Then of course the next question I ask myself was why would anyone attempt to imply such a statement ??? Towards a man who is established.

His ability of ant design is well known in the radio world and is a real engineer who he has nothing to prove. and in most cases is the standard that others attempt to compare their product to.(NOTICE, I said in most cases.)

If you were ever in the good fortune to know 55 then you would know that he allows the performance of his products to do the talking for themselves.

As for the ant. that are by the numbers superior......the 5/8 is the one that I have compared the merlin to as I am running a merlin on my 300ft of steel

IF the merlin would not have out performed the 5/8 I would be running the 5/8 but that was not the case.

And I would also like to mention that the merlin has weathered sustained 74 MPH winds and gust up to 85 and 90 mph for over a three day period in which I was running it the whole time during this high wind condition

IT performed great...HOWEVER it did have wind noise in my receive. And the 5/8 in the same condition was not able to perform due to swr fluxuations and was destroyed due to gust winds which I am not sure of these gust strength so unable to report.

I should also report that I go on the open sea and I do have rare conditions that most ant will not be exposed to.

SO with that when it comes to 55 and his products.Attempting to apply negativity .....I for one am here to let you know that dog won;t hunt !!!!

AS I notice you are from cow town I'm sure you feel the same way toward Cale.......IF not you should ....

I will not apply negativity towards Cale r his products that's just not the way I role .but .welcome any comparison in a real world test. Rather it be base or mobile .

I"M a proud member of team BULL-IT .......

FOR those that don't know it's all bumper to bumper 55 built in the mobile......and at home on the base all 55 built and my world class 300ft of steel.............Again all 55 built and the proof is dam sure in the pudding.

not all of us are in the mind that it is a 10k world......rofl
coach

[BOOTY MONSTER]

well . since ive had yet again another post deleted by this forum , let me rephrase my reply . i understand he doesnt want to give away his apparently secret design for others to copy . i dont understand why he wouldnt want to give a gain claim EXPLAINING how it relates to other gain claim measuring methods .

[Fluxmaster]

wasnt me this time for the record I havent even followed this thread

[Marconi]

These forums are getting to be nothing but "Show and Tell", and it looks like it is mostly just tell.

SHIT! We sure wouldn't want any differences of opinion around here.

[Fluxmaster]

These forums are getting to be nothing but "Show and Tell", and it looks like it is mostly just tell.

SHIT! We sure wouldn't want any differences of opinion around here.

Well we all work very hard to try and please everyone around here and run a decent site, if its not for you no ones making you be here.

[Marconi]

I would rather stay and chat with a few of the guys from time to time, but I can't promiss that I will always agree with everything that is said.

[Fluxmaster]

Nothing wrong with disagreement im sure you will find it all over the forum.

[Savage]

Nothing wrong with disagreement im sure you will find it all over the forum.
Not just the forum...

Anyhow, how lame would life be w/o disagreement?


Thanks for the post on the db gain.

[Stagecoach]

well, I guess the best way to satisfy the knowledge you seek is to obtain the ant. in question and do your own test.

It is getting more clear to me that even though this ant has had reviews on other forums.
Some have it in their head that this is bogus info and in my opinion that NO amount of reports will now or ever be to their liking .

I can appreciate the fact that someone will disagree. but as i have seen your name on the other forums on this very topic and this same ant, show and tell and mostly tell?.....what is there to do but, to tell of our findings?

I really not sure what it is that you wish to accomplish ???...

Perhaps if you obtain the ant. do you own test and put the findings in your own words it will then have enough credibility?... lol

MY findings were true and clear and strait to the best of my ability to give a little info as to some of the reasons as to why it is my choice.

.And I tested the merlin and had both ant up on 25 ft poles and this had both ant approx 42 ft from the water.( note this is at there mounting point.)

The merlin prove to be a better performer in 8 out of 10 targets on transmit on targets at 20 miles or further.

10 out of 10 on the ears..in most cases nearly 2 lbs better copy.

( Note in my findings inside 20 miles the 2 were fairly equal on transmit as well as for receive)

The merlin strength as I have found is in distance and skip easily the better performer.

Out of ten contacts.in skip ....... only 4 heard the 5/8

Am I'm going to go through the 3rd degree as I have witness on other forums. what do you think????....lol

And I mentioned in my previous post stability of the MERLIN was tested as well.IT performed well in some extreme winds and faired real well.


I posted this just so you that read. see what were my test findings and the methods used to find them.
if it is good info then great. if you like the way I explained my findings even better .

IF you feel I did not do it the way you would have done it then do you own test.

IF you have any questions please ask but I think I covered the part that I always look at is my radio talking and is it better than before....lol

stagecoach

[10 Gauge]

This is one of those touchy subjects.... You could compare the two antennas all day long and when it boils down to it, when you test it on your platform, and then I perform the same test on my platform in a different region my findings could be completely backasswards from what another person found.

Run what works best for YOU.

[Marconi]

You are right about getting an antenna to test, but I am over 70 now and in bad health, so maybe I will never be able enough. So I just talk to whoever will talk about it.

As other's have said---testing might be different here than your testing there. Some reports tell us that the 5/8 wave type antennas work best over very poor soil and the 1/4 wave works best over just poor soil. You tested over water and I didn’t know that. If you were actually over salt water, then you were seeing it as good as it gets---cause seawater is the best ground plane on Earth and if it is true then the smaller antenna would be favored in this case. Here is a soil condition table:


Very Best-Saltwater
Best-Fresh water
Very Good-Moist, dark, highly fertile, compacted agricultural loam.
Good-Drier and lighter, but flower gardens, hedges, lawns, trees.
Average-Some clay or sand content, nevertheless nice lawns, gardens.
Poor-Mixed soil and sand, fairly dry, but flowers, weeds, grasses.
Very Poor-Drained, sloping, sandy clay, rocky, hardy weeds, peat.
Identifiers for typical Soil conductivity


I personally don't pay any mind to published, posted, advertised, or any other kind of gain claim numbers, and I don't know why Booty Monster does. Bringing that up just leads to arguments and personally I don't think most folks are able to really measure gain anyway, at least not scientifically. There are ways to make a judgments based on your RX meter assuming your rig is doing about as good on TX as it shows on RX. That is opinion. It is the best we have in most situations and is fine with me. If you said you saw 5-6 sUnits improvement, I might wonder. There are other ways to measure RF using a Field Strength meter that can help you get and idea of what is going on when comparing two systems in the near field of the antennas. From such results you can make an educated guess as to how good or not you’re doing. Booty Monster may be harping on 55 for his gain numbers, but I doubt 55 really cares what the number is. Maybe BM just don't get it about gain. On the other hand, if you did tell him some number he would just say it is BS and that you can't believe what manufactures or anybody else says about gain.

I can't be sure, but I would be willing to bet, for many reasons, 55 use’s a Field Strength meter to tell what is going on with the RF from his antennas. I think most of the high-power, phased antenna users also use this tool to best determine what they are getting in right now results.

Stagecoach, I believe your words and I believe what you say about your Merlin. I wish I had one. I love my Starduster and I know it holds up good, but just so-so. I can see a lot of strong points built into the Merlin, and I believe it is just as sturdy as you say.

I will close with one statement from my original post in this thread in case you missed it. I hope it gives you all an idea of what I believe about the Merlin.


For me this helps explains a lot about varying reports of gain and other responses with antennas from people all over and can help explain how 55's Merlin that Coolbreeze tells us about works so well, even when compared to some bigger antennas.

[Stagecoach]

many thx for your reply marconi.....I truly agree with you on salt water being the best of the best testing plane.

I cannot say enough as to the performance of all the ant. that I have run out here on the water. almost all of them truly come alive .....lol

IF it seems that I was being offensive toward you. I stand corrected.

I never meant any disrespect.

I also agree with you in regards to booty monster input. I truly believe that when a ant. is marketed with db claims.

They will be positioning their product to be a target of those of us who will challenge those claims.

Booty monster if it seems I was being offensive toward you.
I just felt that you were in route to being malice with your statement.

And with that I posted the way I tested and the method and conditions of my test. I'm not sure if it will be info that will be pleasing to you?...but, I posted it just the same. I hope you find it useful.

If by chance I miss understood what you were implying in your statement.

I stand corrected as well.


I do not expect everyone to agree with me or with what I say.

I welcome different views.... as well as opinions .

just as 10 gauge said we will find different findings . That is the reason for a forum.

stagecoach

[duckkiller127]

These forums are getting to be nothing but "Show and Tell", and it looks like it is mostly just tell.

SHIT! We sure wouldn't want any differences of opinion around here.

Instead of you and your cohort bootymonster claiming "it can't be done" why don't you buy one and prove everyone in here wrong, (why? because you are scared to admit you are wrong)

i have had the pleasure of spending 2 days with the genious himself, and yes this man is nothing short of a genious, i have explained in this forum and in other places HOW this antenna works, there are facts and theory and calculations behind it, BUT for some reason people keep questioning the fact that it cannot be better than other antennas

it is not the point that the questions are being asked, that is welcomed...it is the point i have put the answers in front of everyone and they are too narrowminded to see it and put 2+2 together

[junkie 870]

Instead of you and your cohort bootymonster claiming "it can't be done" why don't you buy one and prove everyone in here wrong, (why? because you are scared to admit you are wrong)

i have had the pleasure of spending 2 days with the genious himself, and yes this man is nothing short of a genious, i have explained in this forum and in other places HOW this antenna works, there are facts and theory and calculations behind it, BUT for some reason people keep questioning the fact that it cannot be better than other antennas

it is not the point that the questions are being asked, that is welcomed...it is the point i have put the answers in front of everyone and they are too narrowminded to see it and put 2+2 together


Marconi said he wasn't attacking the antenna, let's not keep the fight going...

[BOOTY MONSTER]

1 "making lil comments like (does he even know)when speaking of 55 who is a friend and my tech. makes me think your digging info to twist it (the info your seeking) into a negative.(if that is the case not very becoming )"

ive asked befor if he has a gain number and all i got is verbal dirrarea , so i dont know if he knows or not . kinda give me the impression folks are protecting him , favoring him or just blindly defending him so they can feel important on a forum in an attempt to impress others , or some other reason . asking a direct question and getting a bunch of lip service dancing around the question and negating the question or the person asking the question will tend to make me think that . all i know is getting any technical information about the antenna is very difficult to do . there is the same lil click running around singing the praises of this antenna on any forum that will put up with it . they claim this and that and the other , but if you ask for technical info its a secret , or so it seems . or im chastized for even questioning the antenna designed by "the genious himself" . im not even gonna get into why a genius would build amps (for a modulated signal) without a bias designed for a modulated signal let alone put a SSB switch on it !!!

2 "Instead of you and your cohort bootymonster......"

marconi is not my cohort . as junkie pointed out . id suggest either start reading peoples post befor attempting to dismiss them or work on your reading comprenhension skills . if im wrong on those counts i apologize . he could have just been too technical for you to understand at this point

3 "i have explained in this forum and in other places HOW this antenna works"

you have explained how it is claimed to work . tophats are no where near as effective as some claim . and the coil pushing more current/signal to the top of the antenna ??? its an aluminum rod , what significant ammount of current/signal is gonna be lost that having a coil less than 2 feet from the top is gonna fix ??? saying its a resonate coil makes no sense to me . its a part of the radiator . drooping the ground radials helps to potientally achieve a better vswr/impedance match , but adjusting that main radiator length is how the antenna is tuned so its tuned for the channel/band youre on so is the coil since it is a part of that radiator . saying a small coil cant be tuned is laughable . ever herd of fiberglass mobile antennas ?

BTW . flux did not delete my earlier post on this thread .

[duckkiller127]

Very good post, most people do not realize these facts and they are easily confused

And now you know part of the reason that 55 doesn't advertise a gain figure for his antennas, because of this confusion and skewing of the facts by different manufacturers makes gain claims about useless

read my posts and you will learn, just because someone says they do not work as well as they think they do does not mean squat, show me where there is a top loaded coil antenna on the market for any band with a capacitance hat, when alone hats have little effect, when in conjunction with a top coil? i dare you to find reference to that...think outside the box...look at the SYSTEM not one component

buy one and you will believe, hell, buy one and if i'm wrong...i'll buy it back

[junkie 870]

although I will not give my exact numbers, from my own tests, as I prefer that others do the tests, and do not take the work that I did at no cost, there was "Significant" gain of the 55 vs. a monkeymade, a wilson 2000, a fiberglass antenna, and a receive gain over a 102. How? I don't know. All tests were done on the same day, with the same distances from the single (hot) antenna.

[MoJo]

Here is my problem with all of this....

The guy may be an engineer and he may be a damn good one at that...

But asking some one to buy your product and do their own tests is just plain arrogance...

The common CB'er and a lot of Hams don't have the funding to buy the equipment necessary to test and antenna. Also I would bet a lot don't even have the knowledge to do it if they could buy the equipment.

Now I am not saying that the guys antenna is a piece of shit, and I am not saying that it is the Rod of God...

What I am saying is that if I can not be supplied scientific facts as to why and how a Merlin Antenna is better than my Astroplane then I am not spending my hard earned money on it.

Maybe I am just a cheap skate but I dont like the thought of possibly throwing my money down the drain on something that could show up and be a turd just as brown as the box it came in.


That being said I believe junkie and his real world tests on the mobile antennas. He called me the day he did the tests and told me to throw my MM in garbage and I know he loved his MM.

So for a college kid to go out on a limb and spend money on an antenna then call up the guy who sold him the antenna that the new one replaced....


Well that's a hell of a seal of approval.

[junkie 870]

First of all, for the record, no disrespect was meant by me calling him to tell him to throw out the monkey.

Second, I LOVED my monkeymade, and it outperformed what I was running at the time, and also didn't have the layover of the 102 I acquired shortly after the mm6 arrived.

Thanks all...

thank you mojo!!

I love you...spingay spingay spingay

no HOMO! noshens

[BOOTY MONSTER]

careful MOJO . you probally dont wanna get the same PM i just got .
thanks junkie . :cheers:

[Maniac373]

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[BOOTY MONSTER]

i hear ya , kinda how i felt when i saw i had another pm from a moderator . LOL

[BOOTY MONSTER]

first im in a conspiracy with mack , then im on a whitch hunt for all things 55 and now im gonna bring down MOJO's business . dude , i understand connecting the dots , but get a grip . and the sorry attempt at trying to hurt a business by trying to alude its in some evil plot with me would be stupid if it wernt for the fact a man supports his family with it . check your morals !!

all because of a difference of opinion ???
WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH THIS PLACE ????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[coolbreeze]

for the record I have offered booty monster and marconni a merlin at my cost so they could try it themselfs. But they turned down the offer. So for anyone with that offer to continue saying it cant work is just baiting an argument.

us who have them have paid for them. and have no reason to post about it other then to spread a good product. and like all of us stand behind something we believe in. 55 could care less if we advertise them. he is plenty back ordered.

The biggest problem in CB is people dont understand RF and that it doesnt have logic, or run a straight line. It does odd things. Also most info out there is out dated, and is usualy a copy of a bad copy. Also the average CB'er lacks the ability to think outside the box.

Now myself, duck killer, cotton mouth, stage coach, and multiple others have all reported the same thing. Better tx local and skip, extreemly low swr ( mine is 2.0 to 2.0 swr is 3.5 mhz wide)

Stop reading books, get the f out of the house ( pay someone if needed) and try something new. And be open to the fact that your being a dumb ass.

My merlin is coming down tomorrow,and I am giving it to stickman to test. I am 99% sure the results will be the same. Time will tell.

And as for the request of db numbers. take the gain of the maco 5/8 and add 6db gain. the intercepter 10k is good for 1 s unit ( real life use not some rated number) and my merlin is good for 1 s unit over that. my merlin gave 1 s unit more over my I10k to mayor 2020 on his galaxy. Galaxy's are calibrated at 5db PER ray at galaxy. Thats 5 DB ( not dbi) gain. What do you want to be A number reading weenie or taking some real life ( which are consistant person to person) results. I have a feeling your going to take the dumb ass way.

For some clowns that passed on the offer of a FREE antenna to test, you sure do like to feel you know it all.

Report to the damm swamp just for your ignorance. Not for disliking the merlin.

[Fluxmaster]

Ive seen first hand what the 55 can do and that was enough for me to buy two of them, sure I havent seen numbers but ive seen real life lip cuttin :)

[coolbreeze]

10 wtf is a duck being replaced for the word d u c k

[coolbreeze]

flux thats correct. f the weenie numbers. the real life results speak for them self.

[coolbreeze]

IM going to make a web site just to post this. Maybe since its on a web site it will make it valid. instead of real life results.

Print this out and read it 100 times or untill fully sunken in.
If skull is to thick hit head with pan 17 times and read again.

DBI gain numbers for 55 antennas

55 r4 coil antenna 6db over a fiberglass stick

55 whipping sticks 9 db over a fiberglass stick

55 merlin 10 db over a piece of coax in a tree.

[coolbreeze]

Oh I would like to add that the entire NYC area has felt the rath of the merlin and the 4-5 s unit increase over an imax 2000 (5/8 pos)

This is not the water. Stagecoach has always tx'd from the water. Same ancor location, same salt water, same boat, same radio and amp. Only change was the antenna. Do I need to write that on a web site also?

[coolbreeze]

average cb'er

http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q254/coolbreeze38/duncecapandpropeller.jpg

[coolbreeze]

Written by the booty monster......., but if you ask for technical info its a secret , or so it seems . or im chastized for even questioning the antenna designed by "the genious himself" . im not even gonna get into why a genius would build amps (for a modulated signal) without a bias designed for a modulated signal let alone put a SSB switch on it !!!

I am going to point a finger this time. Booty Mnster you are a blooming idiot.
For a man that thinks texas stars are the greatest thing since sliced bread. And one who does not have a tube amp built by 55. To make this statement.
All his amps have biasing for class ab1 operation. Some tube amps require it.
And a ssb switch can be 2 things. A change in bias or a delay on unkey for the relay to reduce chatter. When a box is built ab1 do you need to bias it moref or ssb. AB1 can be used on am. And does it have a ssb delay on all the time? Gee I wonder.

Booty your foaming at the mouth, and spewing things you obviously know nothing about is why most dont respect you. You set the field for yourself.

[junkie 870]

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