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Fluxmaster
12-30-2009, 09:05 PM
http://chargercharger.com/Merlin-Antenna.html

http://chargercharger.com/55ant2.jpg

High grade aluminum center fed half wave base antenna

Features:

Balanced feeding point that reduces common mode current that is a common cause of interference.

SO-239 connector allows you to use common coax (RG-213 to RG-217), up to 7,500 watts) but can be ordered with LC Connector for use with RG-218 or Hardline coax directly to the antenna.

Power rating tested at 75,000 watts.

Simple tuning procedures keep SWR low (typically 1.2 to 1.1).


PRICE: $299.00

94ct
12-30-2009, 09:09 PM
da the pumped 75 k through it hmm i like that lol

Fluxmaster
12-30-2009, 09:13 PM
Yea i know someone whos done 80k through one of 55's. Just curious, what does 55 sell these for?

94ct
12-30-2009, 09:17 PM
how well they talk .better than beam ? id like to hide that in tree lol

coolbreeze
12-30-2009, 10:00 PM
the 55 merlin has had 118,000 watts into it befor it arced. when it did it only had 250w reflect.

55's cost is 260 to the door.

coolbreeze
12-30-2009, 10:02 PM
ill get the skinny on this tomorrow and report back

MoJo
12-30-2009, 10:13 PM
Regardless....

When I get the 260 around I will call Terry and order it.

DollaBill
12-30-2009, 10:17 PM
Next month there will be one of Terry's 80 foot above my shack.

coolbreeze
12-30-2009, 10:18 PM
dollarbill is close enough for personal pick up

backwoods
12-30-2009, 10:34 PM
Hey Dollar if you go holler I may meet ya at the 75-10 junction!

DollaBill
12-31-2009, 01:21 AM
No prob Backwoods I'll do.

Mobile Boss
01-08-2010, 04:20 PM
the 55 merlin has had 118,000 watts into it befor it arced. when it did it only had 250w reflect.

55's cost is 260 to the door.


118,000 peak watts maybe.

The Shadow
01-08-2010, 04:54 PM
118,000 peak watts maybe.

Nope, dead key.

:ihih:

Mobile Boss
01-08-2010, 07:02 PM
Nope, dead key.

:ihih:


Now:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: that's funny stuff right there 55

junkie 870
01-08-2010, 07:06 PM
shadow isn't 55. he's in chicago. and has the powa!

coolbreeze
01-08-2010, 07:48 PM
mobile boss. it was 118,000 dk. and had room to spare.

i see a need to go find the post with the pic of the meter.

junkie 870
01-08-2010, 07:51 PM
look in my posts on the other forum. i believe i replied to it.

The Shadow
01-08-2010, 08:03 PM
shadow isn't 55. he's in Chicago. and has the powa!

:ihih: The Shadow Knows . . . . . . . . . .

coolbreeze
01-08-2010, 08:07 PM
biggest station in IL if im right

junkie 870
01-08-2010, 08:17 PM
quite possibly. too bad he can't get out haha

Mobile Boss
01-08-2010, 08:33 PM
mobile boss. it was 118,000 dk. and had room to spare.

i see a need to go find the post with the pic of the meter.


ok so let's see someone has 1000 amp service to feed that amplifier?

The Shadow
01-08-2010, 08:36 PM
biggest station in IL if im right

I highly doubt that. I know three that can put the maul down in the 75KW+ class and they are within a stones throw of me.



quite possibly. too bad he can't get out haha

Be careful what you ask for

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e180/RF716/216414704_6a43eb435c.jpg

coolbreeze
01-08-2010, 08:38 PM
and that someone has dropped 75k into the merlin also

The Shadow
01-08-2010, 08:38 PM
ok so let's see someone has 1000 amp service to feed that amplifier?

Try a 2000a service, and that is no joke

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e180/RF716/Electricbill.jpg

junkie 870
01-08-2010, 08:39 PM
lol...i ain't skeered

The Shadow
01-08-2010, 08:41 PM
lol...i ain't skeered

Just remember, you have to sign the sticker when you loose your lips and so far none have reclaimed their sticker or their lips

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e180/RF716/lotslips.jpg

junkie 870
01-08-2010, 08:42 PM
i'll put the damn sticker on my truck haha

Fluxmaster
01-08-2010, 10:56 PM
biggest station in IL if im right

nah theres some even badder boys out there

coolbreeze
01-08-2010, 11:26 PM
who else can dk 118,000 watts we havent even gotten to talking watts

Mobile Boss
01-09-2010, 01:44 AM
who else can dk 118,000 watts we havent even gotten to talking watts


No one on the CB Band

coolbreeze
01-09-2010, 11:31 AM
one again your wrong.....
the a/c sky trucks can and do ( only 2 trucks though)

linearone
01-09-2010, 12:24 PM
one again your wrong.....
the a/c sky trucks can and do ( only 2 trucks though)

This is what folks are led to believe. Just because you cant sign onto an internet forum somewhere and see pics of it doesnt mean it doesnt exist. There are guys with 90,000 watt suburbans that barely never ever key them. they sit in barns or garages just waiting for their time to shine. There are guys who only talk when the cycle is prime for them. Most folks on the internet come and go in the hobbby, a few years in a few years out. They werent on the air 10-20-30 years ago to hear the stations that only key every 7 years during the skip cycle peaks. There's guys 60 miles from me that arent on the internet or the cb AT ALL but have suburbans with 2 3cx20,000a7's in them... YES. there might be more than just 2 guys in the country.. we just dont know about them.

There are monsters hiding in the shadows... be careful not to wake them..

Fluxmaster
01-09-2010, 01:23 PM
I would have to agree with L1 on this one.

Mobile Boss
01-09-2010, 02:23 PM
This is what folks are led to believe. Just because you cant sign onto an internet forum somewhere and see pics of it doesnt mean it doesnt exist. There are guys with 90,000 watt suburbans that barely never ever key them. they sit in barns or garages just waiting for their time to shine. There are guys who only talk when the cycle is prime for them. Most folks on the internet come and go in the hobbby, a few years in a few years out. They werent on the air 10-20-30 years ago to hear the stations that only key every 7 years during the skip cycle peaks. There's guys 60 miles from me that arent on the internet or the cb AT ALL but have suburbans with 2 3cx20,000a7's in them... YES. there might be more than just 2 guys in the country.. we just dont know about them.

There are monsters hiding in the shadows... be careful not to wake them..



LOL most of us dont have to sign onto the internet to read BS stories either. we can use experiance from being in the Game aand part of the Game for more years than we care to admit. Id like to see or hear guys who have these monster suburbans collecting dust ready to to 90 KW... stop my sides hurting ... while you guys are writing stories about this stuff and the "we just don't know about yet crew" ,some of us are actually out there amongst the crowd part of it.

How does he know they are out there if no one knows about they yet?

Fluxmaster
01-09-2010, 02:25 PM
There are so many guys out there with amazing setups, just because they dont get on the internet forums like all us attention whores dosnt mean they dont exist. I know guys right in my hometown with well over 100kw sitting in their garages just waiting to be used. They are not in a hurry and probably havent been on the air in 5-10 years, waiting for dx to really get going like it used to.

linearone
01-09-2010, 02:37 PM
LOL most of us dont have to sign onto the internet to read BS stories either. we can use experiance from being in the Game aand part of the Game for more years than we care to admit. Id like to see or hear guys who have these monster suburbans collecting dust ready to to 90 KW... stop my sides hurting ... while you guys are writing stories about this stuff and the "we just don't know about yet crew" ,some of us are actually out there amongst the crowd part of it.

How does he know they are out there if no one knows about they yet?

10-4 good buddy

Mobile Boss
01-09-2010, 02:39 PM
one again your wrong.....
the a/c sky trucks can and do ( only 2 trucks though)


No you are wrong.
for any one in a AC truck to claim 90,000 watts they would need 180,000 watts of input power. How many alternators does it take to get 180,000 watts of input power. Say you get 15 kw per alternator you would need 12 alternators on that box alone, ok lets see what would we need for a driver 10 kw? well at least 2 more figure for driver and predriver , how about the filament of big box and driver and pre driver boxes assuming 3 more maybe even one to ru vehicle.
So we are seeing about 15 alternators for a setup like that now being in the game long enuff we know there is probably only 1 maybe 2 vehicles in CB Game that have that many alts. And one is used for a DC sky truck the second if there is one out there is probably hiding in a barn cause no one has ever seen or heard of it, well no one with common sense has.

Best part is all these guys who you say are doing big numbers how are they reading the watts with a field strength meter? I been to the breaks been in big AC mobiles I dont normally see any bird meters in there. Now Coolbreeze maybe your followers think you are some guru, to me your just another guy on a forum spreading the word about things he has never seen or done.

Mobile Boss
01-09-2010, 02:40 PM
10-4 good buddy


Linear One you suprise me because you are usually one who can see the forest thru the trees.



ps: is that how that saying goes?

linearone
01-09-2010, 02:44 PM
I can see the suburbans in the barns, the 3 phase entry to small un assuming houses with 75 ft towers and m-107's, I can see the vans with generators on the hitch with lots of alternators collecting leaves and grass clippings.

All these guys are preparing for the cycle, even though this year is the first year of the upswing its still NOTHING compared to the peak. If these guys can get their shit together and their gear working in 4 -5 years it should be really fun when the skip rolls.

Mobile Boss
01-09-2010, 02:59 PM
I can see the suburbans in the barns, the 3 phase entry to small un assuming houses with 75 ft towers and m-107's, I can see the vans with generators on the hitch with lots of alternators collecting leaves and grass clippings.

All these guys are preparing for the cycle, even though this year is the first year of the upswing its still NOTHING compared to the peak. If these guys can get their shit together and their gear working in 4 -5 years it should be really fun when the skip rolls.


funny part is a barefoot radio when the skip cycle is in is all that is needed. 40-60 db signals are not uncommon for people running no or very little watts.

Id like to see these 90 kw mobiles light up the m107's, hope they have elements made out of 2" dia aluminum, hope they are using 3 1/8" hard line, are they using 3 " 1/8 line sections? see I know what is involved with big watts most have no idea the supporting cast it takes to get those type of watts out nor the cost to do it, and yet no one knows who they are. That's it Linny I am driving upstate NY and taking my camera with me.:mad2:

linearone
01-09-2010, 05:06 PM
funny part is a barefoot radio when the skip cycle is in is all that is needed. 40-60 db signals are not uncommon for people running no or very little watts.

Id like to see these 90 kw mobiles light up the m107's, hope they have elements made out of 2" dia aluminum, hope they are using 3 1/8" hard line, are they using 3 " 1/8 line sections? see I know what is involved with big watts most have no idea the supporting cast it takes to get those type of watts out nor the cost to do it, and yet no one knows who they are. That's it Linny I am driving upstate NY and taking my camera with me.:mad2:

who said they're in NY? I can drive 60 miles in 3 directions and be in three different states.

Dude. Maybe you should come over, Ill buy ya a cheeseburger and show you my 4 pill.

coolbreeze
01-09-2010, 05:52 PM
L1 I was refering to the guys i see at the breaks. the secret barn hiders I would have no idea about

Mobile Boss
01-09-2010, 08:48 PM
L1 I was refering to the guys i see at the breaks. the secret barn hiders I would have no idea about

I am willing to bet you actually have no idea what a guy in AC Sky is doing as far as watts. You are repeating gossip nothing more.

coolbreeze
01-09-2010, 10:10 PM
are you upset that your new technology dave box cant do those watts?

26 va
01-09-2010, 10:39 PM
the gig mobile ac rigs are around they just dont flaunt it on the forums

26 va
01-09-2010, 10:40 PM
sorry cant spell big mobiles

Fluxmaster
01-10-2010, 12:44 AM
No you are wrong.
for any one in a AC truck to claim 90,000 watts they would need 180,000 watts of input power. How many alternators does it take to get 180,000 watts of input power. Say you get 15 kw per alternator you would need 12 alternators on that box alone, ok lets see what would we need for a driver 10 kw? well at least 2 more figure for driver and predriver , how about the filament of big box and driver and pre driver boxes assuming 3 more maybe even one to ru vehicle.
So we are seeing about 15 alternators for a setup like that now being in the game long enuff we know there is probably only 1 maybe 2 vehicles in CB Game that have that many alts. And one is used for a DC sky truck the second if there is one out there is probably hiding in a barn cause no one has ever seen or heard of it, well no one with common sense has.

Best part is all these guys who you say are doing big numbers how are they reading the watts with a field strength meter? I been to the breaks been in big AC mobiles I dont normally see any bird meters in there. Now Coolbreeze maybe your followers think you are some guru, to me your just another guy on a forum spreading the word about things he has never seen or done.

there is more than you think...

coolbreeze
01-10-2010, 10:00 AM
sha sha and t bird are the 2 trucks I was refering to in the a/c class's.

and how the hell did we get on mobile power on a base antenna thread.

on base set ups there are many people out there with converted comercial transmitters. the owners of these comercial transmitters also have had high amp comercial power rant o their house which also includes a comercial meter base which does not have an amp limitation like a typical house one.

thses old time comercial transmitters can do well over 100k


as for the burbs hidden in barns and shuch... well i guess we will see.

demolition
01-10-2010, 12:39 PM
Wow!! fatboy is making a starduster to? I think it looks better

Mobile Boss
01-10-2010, 04:53 PM
there is more than you think...


Really then why don't you enlighten the forum with the requirments I missed for a mobile AC amplifier.

Mobile Boss
01-10-2010, 04:56 PM
are you upset that your new technology dave box cant do those watts?

As usual when it comes to answering any techincal questions Cool Breeze reverts to this type of post. But if I remember correctly so far all the davemade guys have handled you and your obsolete technology and probably will continue to.

Mobile Boss
01-10-2010, 05:26 PM
there is more than you think...


I forgot the X force Mobile

Bigred222
01-10-2010, 11:29 PM
No you are wrong.
for any one in a AC truck to claim 90,000 watts they would need 180,000 watts of input power. How many alternators does it take to get 180,000 watts of input power. Say you get 15 kw per alternator you would need 12 alternators on that box alone, ok lets see what would we need for a driver 10 kw? well at least 2 more figure for driver and predriver , how about the filament of big box and driver and pre driver boxes assuming 3 more maybe even one to ru vehicle.
So we are seeing about 15 alternators for a setup like that now being in the game long enuff we know there is probably only 1 maybe 2 vehicles in CB Game that have that many alts. And one is used for a DC sky truck the second if there is one out there is probably hiding in a barn cause no one has ever seen or heard of it, well no one with common sense has.

Best part is all these guys who you say are doing big numbers how are they reading the watts with a field strength meter? I been to the breaks been in big AC mobiles I dont normally see any bird meters in there. Now Coolbreeze maybe your followers think you are some guru, to me your just another guy on a forum spreading the word about things he has never seen or done.

a 4cx15000 i know of does 60kw Out with 100 watts of drive so if people knew how to build regulated screen supplys for a tetrode which anyone will tell you the supply for a tetrode is far more complicated to make than one for a triode. plain and simple there are miore components.
Bye now

linearone
01-11-2010, 07:47 AM
its harder yes but in the base its not that hard. I still cant figure how Wolf did it in the mobile. He must have had a switching supply or something.

The Shadow
01-11-2010, 09:36 AM
there are many people out there with converted commercial transmitters. the owners of these commercial transmitters also have had high amp commercial power ran to their house which also includes a commercial meter base which does not have an amp limitation like a typical house one. Theses old time commercial transmitters can do well over 100k


Absolutely true. I personally own several which were covered from commercial broadcast transmitters. Collins, RCA, Westinghouse just to name a few that are easily modifiable and can be put into service on the amateur bands.

Mobile Boss
01-11-2010, 02:22 PM
Absolutely true. I personally own several which were covered from commercial broadcast transmitters. Collins, RCA, Westinghouse just to name a few that are easily modifiable and can be put into service on the amateur bands.


So you own several 100 kw transmitters?

Mobile Boss
01-11-2010, 02:32 PM
a 4cx15000 i know of does 60kw Out with 100 watts of drive so if people knew how to build regulated screen supplys for a tetrode which anyone will tell you the supply for a tetrode is far more complicated to make than one for a triode. plain and simple there are miore components.
Bye now


No 15,000 tube, triode or tetrode talks 60 kw output, maybe deadkey. And yes tetrodes are harder to build then triodes thats why you dont see many cb amps made with them, because most builders can't do it.

-=PEAKABOO=-
01-11-2010, 02:47 PM
That's it Linny I am driving upstate NY and taking my camera with me.:mad2:

Not too far of a drive:D

junkie 870
01-11-2010, 03:38 PM
So you own several 100 kw transmitters?

i know someone else who does too...he's an RF technician and when radio stations get new transmitters, he picks them up for scrap costs lol.

mauldropper
01-11-2010, 04:20 PM
:beatdeadhorse5::yawn:

coolbreeze
01-11-2010, 09:09 PM
ccm stop pouting

The Shadow
01-11-2010, 09:26 PM
So you own several 100 kw transmitters?

Nope. Don't have a need for nor the space for more then one at the moment. Notice I did not say I don't own other amplifiers with less or lower output capabilities, which in fact I do (6 commercial level/quality/duty rated).

When I retire I plan on filing for a commercial broadcasting license and seek out the FCC's approval to own, build and operate a single site, small (under 25Kw) 24/7/365 non for profit AM radio station. I have everything except the license, callsign, frequency assignment and ERP rating requirements.

Bigred222
01-11-2010, 11:56 PM
No 15,000 tube, triode or tetrode talks 60 kw output, maybe deadkey. And yes tetrodes are harder to build then triodes thats why you dont see many cb amps made with them, because most builders can't do it.

do you want me to go ask him for some pictures im sure he'd be glad to show you up if he even felt the need. its called a real heavy duty supply with alot more plate voltage than its rated for. they are going to be looking for a better supply soon with hopes of 70-80kw range. The builder wont admit to building things anymore. He's very touchy about what me makes. he doesnt like to show and tell. If you hear it on the band Good if not, oh well. He doesnt lie. and if anyone on this board knows more about this tube and has experience with this tube. they will tell you that it is capable of such power. And yes it does 60kw peak with 100 watts in. not deadkey sorry for the mix up. I forget what 323 keys it at. but he drives it with an HF radio and it kills JUST ABOUT everyone in ct. With the execption of some fine CH 6 operators, some on this board. I dont need to prove anything to you. besides its not my box.
But it does what it does. and thats all there is to it

coolbreeze
01-12-2010, 12:05 AM
mobile boss wont believe it unless its a davemade

Bigred222
01-12-2010, 12:06 AM
well then no sense in me trying to make a point if someone is just to stubborn, and think they know better than everyone else.
BIG RED IN THE MAILROOM buh buh bye

duckkiller127
01-12-2010, 12:03 PM
CCM has what is known in the outside world as "Chronic Davemade syndrome" or CDS for short

Basically the world revolves around Dave and what he says is absolute gospel, i know this because i once had CDS, and i will be the FIRST to say Dave is INSANELY intelligent, but he isn't the end-all beat all RF god, the only way to Beat CDS is an open mind and to see how things work outside the hazy stench of southern NJ, you never know...there might be something better

I'm not knocking Dave in ANY way, I've met Dave, he's in the top 1% without question..I'm just saying people get blinders on and get it in their head there can be nothing else

Fluxmaster
01-12-2010, 01:34 PM
I'm not knocking Dave in ANY way, I've met Dave, he's in the top 1% without question..I'm just saying people get blinders on and get it in their head there can be nothing else

Good point, this is true with sooo many other builders and their customers too.

Mobile Boss
01-12-2010, 02:54 PM
do you want me to go ask him for some pictures im sure he'd be glad to show you up if he even felt the need. its called a real heavy duty supply with alot more plate voltage than its rated for. they are going to be looking for a better supply soon with hopes of 70-80kw range. The builder wont admit to building things anymore. He's very touchy about what me makes. he doesnt like to show and tell. If you hear it on the band Good if not, oh well. He doesnt lie. and if anyone on this board knows more about this tube and has experience with this tube. they will tell you that it is capable of such power. And yes it does 60kw peak with 100 watts in. not deadkey sorry for the mix up. I forget what 323 keys it at. but he drives it with an HF radio and it kills JUST ABOUT everyone in ct. With the execption of some fine CH 6 operators, some on this board. I dont need to prove anything to you. besides its not my box.
But it does what it does. and thats all there is to it


Ok now you said 60 KW peak that is a far cry from 60 Kw Bird, so now all these idiots trying to tell me I am wrong can suck my ass.

The Shadow
01-12-2010, 02:59 PM
i know someone else who does too...he's an RF technician and when radio stations get new transmitters, he picks them up for scrap costs lol.

I know that guy!

LMFAO!!!

Mobile Boss
01-12-2010, 03:03 PM
CCM has what is known in the outside world as "Chronic Davemade syndrome" or CDS for short

Basically the world revolves around Dave and what he says is absolute gospel, i know this because i once had CDS, and i will be the FIRST to say Dave is INSANELY intelligent, but he isn't the end-all beat all RF god, the only way to Beat CDS is an open mind and to see how things work outside the hazy stench of southern NJ, you never know...there might be something better

I'm not knocking Dave in ANY way, I've met Dave, he's in the top 1% without question..I'm just saying people get blinders on and get it in their head there can be nothing else


Funny the guy said 60 Kw, it was questioned, now he changes it to 60 KW peak. No one needed Dave or CCM to tell me that he wasnt doiing those type watts he claimed, perhaps you believe such BS, those who know what is real don't have to. When you can come up with something better than Dave or CCM bring it to the table, until then sit there with that stupid look on your face like Cool Breeze who makes sarcastic responses because he doesnt know enuff about Rf to answer intelligently.

Electronic Theory tells me what is real and what isn't a bunch of hacks on a cb forum who are like sheep following the masses because such and such says so isn't good enuff for me. I doubt you would even know what is better than the stench coming out of NJ. In fact Cool Breeze and yourself can prove you have something better, oh wait you guys have already tried that. How did you make out.

Bigred222
01-12-2010, 03:21 PM
read your post
Originally Posted by Mobile Boss http://www.mauldroppers.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.mauldroppers.com/showthread.php?p=88461#post88461)
No 15,000 tube, triode or tetrode talks 60 kw output, maybe deadkey. And yes tetrodes are harder to build then triodes thats why you dont see many cb amps made with them, because most builders can't do it.

Mobile Boss
01-12-2010, 03:28 PM
read your post
Originally Posted by Mobile Boss http://www.mauldroppers.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.mauldroppers.com/showthread.php?p=88461#post88461)
No 15,000 tube, triode or tetrode talks 60 kw output, maybe deadkey. And yes tetrodes are harder to build then triodes thats why you dont see many cb amps made with them, because most builders can't do it.

Don't have to I know what I said, you said 60 kw, then you change it to read 60 kw Peak. 60 kw peak is about 20 kw avg hence the reason I said it wont talk 60 kw. Most big boys use Bird / average watts when making claims, not peak watts.

duckkiller127
01-12-2010, 03:44 PM
you have proved neither of us wrong yet either, so put your books down and keep pouting

coolbreeze
01-12-2010, 09:33 PM
ccm come out of the bushes

Mobile Boss
01-13-2010, 01:31 AM
you have proved neither of us wrong yet either, so put your books down and keep pouting


Listen Sonny i am not like you or your partner, I don't need a book ask your husband CB, you are one of his minions. the only one's pouting are you 2, quite hilarious if you ask me, need a hankie.

Fluxmaster
01-13-2010, 01:32 AM
^hilarious rebuttal attempt^

duckkiller127
01-13-2010, 02:02 AM
I am NO one's minion, just because you think you are god's gift to RF and the internet makes NO difference to me

want to impress someone, buy one, put it up and PROVE someone wrong...until then you are nothing to no one, no matter how big a box you have, need want had or whatever

Mobile Boss
01-13-2010, 02:11 AM
I am NO one's minion, just because you think you are god's gift to RF and the internet makes NO difference to me

want to impress someone, buy one, put it up and PROVE someone wrong...until then you are nothing to no one, no matter how big a box you have, need want had or whatever

It must make a difference since you first felt the need to reply to my post with a sarcastic attitude, not the other way around. I dont have to impress anyone my actions and accomplishments in life do that for me. Now just because someone comes onto the forum with more knowledge than you you must feel threatened for some reason. Maybe you think I am going to reach in your pocket and keep you from taking some of these peoples money I dont know, or maybe you just felt you needed to jump on the bandwagon with CB. Never the less this is indoor sport for me, I see the members in here like to run in pack's LOL all the more funny.

Mobile Boss
01-13-2010, 02:12 AM
^hilarious rebuttal attempt^


yes hard to reply to your girlfriends post it wasnt very good.

Fluxmaster
01-13-2010, 02:14 AM
yes hard to reply to your girlfriends post it wasnt very good.

wow, fail again.

Bigred222
01-13-2010, 02:15 AM
Don't have to I know what I said, you said 60 kw, then you change it to read 60 kw Peak. 60 kw peak is about 20 kw avg hence the reason I said it wont talk 60 kw. Most big boys use Bird / average watts when making claims, not peak watts.

maybe you just dont have a god damn clue as to what it is your talking about and your just making this whole thing up as you go along. So SIT DOWN SON

Bigred222
01-13-2010, 02:17 AM
AND FOR THE RECORD I TALKED TO HIM TODAY
60KW ON A BIRD 100kw H SLUG NO PEP KIT SO SIT DOWN AND KEEP TO YOUR SELF

Bigred222
01-13-2010, 02:23 AM
http://s26.photobucket.com/albums/c108/zzgocartman/?action=view&current=6a00d83452188569e2011279621bb428a4-.jpg
delete this
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Mobile Boss
01-13-2010, 02:26 AM
maybe you just dont have a god damn clue as to what it is your talking about and your just making this whole thing up as you go along. So SIT DOWN SON

You have changed your story 3 times now. So who is the one making shit up, you repeating gossip just like most of the guys in this forum. All these guys supposedly doing all these watts an aint none of them ever heard... Yeah ok :mad2::mad2::mad2::mad2::mad2:

Bigred222
01-13-2010, 02:28 AM
Go to bed dude

10 Gauge
01-13-2010, 02:28 AM
Mobile Boss gets a time out for being a douche.

Mobile Boss
01-13-2010, 02:29 AM
AND FOR THE RECORD I TALKED TO HIM TODAY
60KW ON A BIRD 100kw H SLUG NO PEP KIT SO SIT DOWN AND KEEP TO YOUR SELF


I talked to a guy today who does 250,000 kw on a bird .... he told me so I believe him. :nono:

Bigred222
01-13-2010, 02:29 AM
now im goin to bed bye

MoJo
01-13-2010, 02:30 AM
How long is he on a douchecation for?

10 Gauge
01-13-2010, 02:31 AM
Just 3 days. We'll see if he plays nice when he gets back, otherwise I can arrange a bigger ban maul that he won't be able to lift off his neck. :)

MoJo
01-13-2010, 02:42 AM
fucking 9 pages to answer discuss fatboy making thethe merlin with it's mass produced gayness....

People just order from Terry and be done with it.

duckkiller127
01-13-2010, 08:39 AM
fucking 9 pages to answer discuss fatboy making thethe merlin with it's mass produced gayness....

People just order from Terry and be done with it.

truthfully, AT THE MOMENT, Tony is buying them from Terry and selling them, this may change, time will tell

duckkiller127
01-13-2010, 08:41 AM
It must make a difference since you first felt the need to reply to my post with a sarcastic attitude, not the other way around. I dont have to impress anyone my actions and accomplishments in life do that for me. Now just because someone comes onto the forum with more knowledge than you you must feel threatened for some reason. Maybe you think I am going to reach in your pocket and keep you from taking some of these peoples money I dont know, or maybe you just felt you needed to jump on the bandwagon with CB. Never the less this is indoor sport for me, I see the members in here like to run in pack's LOL all the more funny.

completely wrong on all counts, have a nice Ban...and remember The CBRN IS in control

The Shadow
01-13-2010, 08:51 AM
"This thread needs an enema"

http://kalafudra.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/jack-nicholson_joker.jpg

Mobile Boss
01-16-2010, 07:32 PM
completely wrong on all counts, have a nice Ban...and remember The CBRN IS in control


LOL you and your mentor are clueless, Got Watts? CBRN has been shut down and will happen again, i got $$ to back it up, wanna man up?

coolbreeze
01-16-2010, 08:20 PM
concrete give your davemade attitude a rest

MoJo
01-16-2010, 09:09 PM
He needs to give all of his attitude a rest, Davemade or otherwise...

Or my ban maul will go up his ass permanently.

demolition
01-16-2010, 09:10 PM
I see the members in here like to run in pack's LOL all the more funny.

True dat. I want to start a pack lol

Bigred222
01-18-2010, 04:29 PM
he has been PERMABANNED

bigampbuilder
04-09-2010, 04:12 PM
Im the guy who owns the amp big red is talking about i can key 20 with a little over 100 watts in like 110 or so.I can key 20 and swing foward so i am swinging over 80 peak.I dont have a peak reading meter i use a 100ua bird watcher meter with a bird 1 5/8 line section.I have 1 watt of refelcted power per 1kw out.I usually run the amp alot low around 10k or so since you need 4x the power to gain 1 s uit.I beleive in headroom so my audio is nice and loud and crystal clear.I live in a killer location right on the ocean on a peninsula.The amplifier has a 100kva power supply i can key it over 30k but why that would be stupid.I dont talk on 6 that often but when i do i always get the 5.I dont come on unless the condiotions are right thats 40-60 db in my receive of skip.Oh yeah its a converted broadcast amp grid driven

I would like to see some pics of your 100 kw amp and also pics of the rf deck and some pics of your 2000 amp service.

Pics are better then a 1000 words.

you could have 100000 watts and get beat buy someone with 5000 watts or less it all has to do with conditions,location and your antenna.

prime minista runs 50k or so and he has gotten beat by a guy with a cathode driven 4cx10000.

If your in a good location and you have the right antenna and know how to work skip you can beat anyone with 5k.

I have yet to ever see another working large tetrode amplifier.Every modified broadcast amp i have ever seen with a tetrode has been converted to a cathode driven tetrode. Ham converted boxes only do a fraction of what they originally did while in service.

Tetrodes are no joke if not built right they will ocillate and bad stuff will happen.Its a must to have full protection.But its nice not needing drivers.Just a modified high power hf radio.No extra matinence cost or power consumption from multiple drivers and you free up a ton of space.

bigampbuilder
04-09-2010, 04:37 PM
wrong if someone were able to hold 15kw and their tube and power supply were big enough and the tank coil was tuned right you would get 60k pep.If you keyed 15k and swung foward rms you would get over 60k pep as long as you had enough power supply were big enough along with the tube and the tank coil was right.

Iy you key 20 and hold it and everything else is right that i just said you would get 80kw pep.But since there is no peak kit for the bird watcher meters theres no way to show it on a meter.I dont look at pep meters they are frowned upon in ct.I do like watching my meter swing foward on the rms scale.

The Shadow
04-09-2010, 05:15 PM
A pair of 4CX35000C's, ran in AB1, 250 watts in 100Kw out, rigid meters built into the cabinets, 6.125" line sections internally mounted, brand new 250KH6 slug in the forward and a slightly used 10KH6 hole plugger in the reflect, operable anywhere from 3.0 to 30Mhz. Currently set up in AB1, 120Kw is pushing it hard in that class. Drop it to class C and all hell will break loose, well over 100Kw per tube but no way to power it - not enough juice coming off the mains even with my own high voltage transformer sitting out on the slab and ACSR lines feeding it from the mains. Currently have three 100 foot towers set up as the future AM broadcast antennas, can re-route the output into small 3.125" hard line for short test bursts. That is how I made the Merlin arc out at 118Kw (PEP). Took less then 15 seconds to heat up the 3.125" hard line to the point it was smoking at the mounting points. I spread bull-shit in the fields, I don't need to bring it here, already have seen and smelt more then my share of it in life. Think what you want say what you want I got nothing to prove to no one by myself.

bigampbuilder
04-09-2010, 05:31 PM
can send some pics to scottdarling1221@hotmail.com

bigampbuilder
04-09-2010, 05:33 PM
send a pic of the inside of the rf deck and the power supply.

I know you have nothing to prove but i dont believe anything that i havent seen.

bigampbuilder
04-09-2010, 06:00 PM
I have never seen a multiband amplifier that is rated for that power level.I would love to see the tank circuit.

Ill be waiting for pics.

bigampbuilder
04-09-2010, 06:28 PM
You can block out everything else i just would like to see the power supply and the tank circuit and the bottoms of the tube sockets theres no reason why you cant send it.I will send pics of what i have no worries here.I have a small 3000 box on ebay right now for sale.Slapped it together in a day.

linearone
04-09-2010, 09:04 PM
I have yet to ever see another working large tetrode amplifier.Every modified broadcast amp i have ever seen with a tetrode has been converted to a cathode driven tetrode.

http://img297.imageshack.us/i/wolf4cx10000dmobile3.jpg (http://img297.imageshack.us/i/wolf4cx10000dmobile3.jpg/)

http://i42.tinypic.com/256tzqx.jpg

http://i43.tinypic.com/2m3qxqs.jpg

http://i44.tinypic.com/a9xpgw.jpg
http://img695.imageshack.us/i/wolf4cx10000dmobile2.jpg (http://img695.imageshack.us/i/wolf4cx10000dmobile2.jpg/)

http://img10.imageshack.us/i/wolf4cx10000dmobile.jpg (http://img10.imageshack.us/i/wolf4cx10000dmobile.jpg/)

bigampbuilder
04-09-2010, 09:06 PM
your pics didnt go through.I hope one of them isnt the mobile made by wolf since it isnt finished in the picture.

linearone
04-09-2010, 09:07 PM
ask and you shall receive. I THINK ( I may be mistaken) that this is a 4cx10000d... and I THINK this was a mobile as well... i have no idea how he managed the supplies and kept them stable in such a high rf field

bigampbuilder
04-09-2010, 09:07 PM
send the pcs to scotdarling1221@hotmail.com

linearone
04-09-2010, 09:08 PM
your pics didnt go through.I hope one of them isnt the mobile made by wolf since it isnt finished in the picture.

yes it was a wolf.
I just clicked all three they came up.

bigampbuilder
04-09-2010, 09:09 PM
no offesnse but you must not know your tetrodes.The picture if its the same picture in the other forum of wolfs box is old years old and its incomplete.Have you seen it on making watts ?I havent seen the pic in a while send it to me and i will tell you what is missing

linearone
04-09-2010, 09:10 PM
Ok i fixed em sorry,

linearone
04-09-2010, 09:11 PM
no offesnse but you must not know your tetrodes.The picture if its the same picture in the other forum of wolfs box is old years old and its incomplete.Have you seen it on making watts ?I havent seen the pic in a while send it to me and i will tell you what is missing

you are correct, I dont know my tetrodes. I am stating what was told to me. Yes it is old but it is a tetrode, it is big and it existed. You said you never saw one so I just thought Id pop it up for ya.

bigampbuilder
04-09-2010, 09:12 PM
ok they came up now.Look at the plate choke the side that would hook up to the feed through cap and hv is disconnected.I also see no neutralization cap.It isnt finished.

bigampbuilder
04-09-2010, 09:14 PM
Im sorry i should have been more clear.I have seen other tetrode amps that were converted to triodes or tetrodes that were never completed like this one.I have seen other ham operators stations that have big tetrodes but setup for low power with no screen or bias regulation to take care of imds or negative screen current.

linearone
04-09-2010, 09:15 PM
ok they came up now.Look at the plate choke the side that would hook up to the feed through cap and hv is disconnected.I also see no neutralization cap.It isnt finished.

some idiot told me once you only neutralized transmitters not amplifiers... what was he trying to explain to me ? still the same thing in my opinion

bigampbuilder
04-09-2010, 09:20 PM
Tetrodes have to been nutralized.or they will ocillate and blow up.In order to get big power out of a tetrode you need a regulated screen supply or negative screen current will cause the gain to rise and the power output to also rise and become unstable.Its all hard to explain but you can look it up on google.Look up neutralization and negative screen current.A tetrode of any size also needs protection.You can never have screen voltage without plate voltage.You must have screen current overload protection along with plate current over load.You cant have screen and plate voltage without bias voltage.

linearone
04-09-2010, 09:22 PM
what size tube is that in your opinion?

bigampbuilder
04-09-2010, 09:23 PM
its a 4cx10000

bigampbuilder
04-09-2010, 09:23 PM
I bet money that he never got it to work right or work at all.

linearone
04-09-2010, 09:26 PM
I was told by Wolf on the phone that he was the only person that had a 4cx10000 mobile box, properly biased that did some ridiculous number of watts with a little bit of drive like a 2 pill doing 120 watts. He called it the one eyed monster. I was really sure he called it a 4cx10000d. if this isnt it then oh well but I did speak to him on the matter last year.

bigampbuilder
04-09-2010, 09:28 PM
If a amplifier were to ociillate and if it didnt have any protection it would keep making more and more power until the weakest link blew up.You can get a triode to ocillate also but its very hard to unless you grid drive it.Its alot easier with a tetrode even easier with a pentode.The higher the gain the tube is the easier it is.I see alot of people cathode driving tetrodes which is a bad idea.You cant get as much power out of it like that and it ends up requiring more drive then a triode equivalent.

bigampbuilder
04-09-2010, 09:31 PM
tell him he should post some pics or send you some at the least.I learned a long time ago dont believe it unless i see it.Unless a freind told me.Like the guy out here with 2 35000 tubes that is multiband 3-30 mhz and makes over 110 kw

linearone
04-09-2010, 09:41 PM
I learned a long time ago dont believe it unless i see it.Unless a freind told me.Like the guy out here with 2 35000 tubes that is multiband 3-30 mhz and makes over 110 kw

I find it hard to disagree with you! :D

coolbreeze
04-09-2010, 09:50 PM
I have to agree with big amp. A 4cx anything tube is a bad idea in a mobile

bigampbuilder
04-09-2010, 09:50 PM
If he made it thats cool.Just dont beleive everything you hear.I helped convert a broadcast amp 9 years ago and still have it with a tetrode and i build a base box with a large terode in a rf generator cabinet its alot of work.Both have the same size tube.I honestly wont do it again.Its a pain in the butt.What kind of amp do you run.

bigampbuilder
04-10-2010, 12:31 PM
if any one is looking for amps or parts check out my ebay name jeannem2987 if you like

mrsuburban
04-11-2010, 12:34 PM
A pair of 4CX35000C's, ran in AB1, 250 watts in 100Kw out, rigid meters built into the cabinets, 6.125" line sections internally mounted, brand new 250KH6 slug in the forward and a slightly used 10KH6 hole plugger in the reflect, operable anywhere from 3.0 to 30Mhz. Currently set up in AB1, 120Kw is pushing it hard in that class. Drop it to class C and all hell will break loose, well over 100Kw per tube but no way to power it - not enough juice coming off the mains even with my own high voltage transformer sitting out on the slab and ACSR lines feeding it from the mains. Currently have three 100 foot towers set up as the future AM broadcast antennas, can re-route the output into small 3.125" hard line for short test bursts. That is how I made the Merlin arc out at 118Kw (PEP). Took less then 15 seconds to heat up the 3.125" hard line to the point it was smoking at the mounting points. I spread bull-shit in the fields, I don't need to bring it here, already have seen and smelt more then my share of it in life. Think what you want say what you want I got nothing to prove to no one by myself.

I am curious how you heated up 3 1/8" coax with 30 - 40 kw, (which = 118,000 PEP) was it from arcing out the Merlin causing a bad swr? certainly 3 1/8" coax can handle that wattage

mrsuburban
04-11-2010, 12:38 PM
Nope, dead key.

:ihih:

Ok I hate to call anyone a liar but it seems you have been caught in one, Mobile Boss said 118,000 pep you said Nope, now a few days ago you said 118,000 PEP in another thread so which is it really

bigampbuilder
04-11-2010, 02:12 PM
he has yet to send any pics

bigampbuilder
04-11-2010, 02:12 PM
mono band maybe but multiband lol.the roller inductor would be as big or bigger then a refrigerator lol

mrsuburban
04-11-2010, 02:19 PM
mono band maybe but multiband lol.the roller inductor would be as big or bigger then a refrigerator lol


i would have to agree with you on that one, what is the gain of a 4cx15000?

bigampbuilder
04-11-2010, 02:26 PM
All depends on the input circuit and the amount of screen voltage your running.I get over 100x input to output multiplication thats without a voltage multiplyer ramping up the grid voltage.The higher the gain the more there is for a chance of ocillation.

mrsuburban
04-11-2010, 02:35 PM
AND FOR THE RECORD I TALKED TO HIM TODAY
60KW ON A BIRD 100kw H SLUG NO PEP KIT SO SIT DOWN AND KEEP TO YOUR SELF

For the record Big Red, Mr Big amp builder posted that he is doing 20 kw, just as Mobile Boss had said.


You have changed your story 3 times now. So who is the one making shit up, you repeating gossip just like most of the guys in this forum. All these guys supposedly doing all these watts an aint none of them ever heard... Yeah ok :mad2::mad2::mad2::mad2::mad2:

I have to agree if they had all those watts u would think they would use em.



Mobile Boss gets a time out for being a douche.

the douche was correct in his numbers as the owner of the amp has posted 20 kw like MBoss said...


maybe you just dont have a god damn clue as to what it is your talking about and your just making this whole thing up as you go along. So SIT DOWN SON

Looks like he knew what he was talking about and someone else was making up the numbers Big Amp builder quoted the exact same watts as what Mobile Boss said...

mrsuburban
04-11-2010, 02:38 PM
All depends on the input circuit and the amount of screen voltage your running.I get over 100x input to output multiplication thats without a voltage multiplyer ramping up the grid voltage.The higher the gain the more there is for a chance of ocillation.



Nothing for nothing i saw the input in the elmer perkins why only 1 input tuner?

bigampbuilder
04-11-2010, 03:10 PM
it has a L type input circuit.Able to tune down to a flat input swr with 1 adjustment.

bigampbuilder
04-11-2010, 03:12 PM
I can key more then 30 but why i wont gain anything.Big red is a ok kid but he has never been to my house he only knows of from what i and my buddy shockwave who is a licenced rf tech have told him.

bigampbuilder
04-11-2010, 03:13 PM
thats rms.

bigampbuilder
04-11-2010, 03:13 PM
The perkin elmers are triode boxes but im sure you already knew that.

10 Gauge
04-11-2010, 03:18 PM
:nono:

bigampbuilder
04-11-2010, 03:19 PM
big red was off with the pep rating thats all.I can do 80k pep or more depending on how i drive it.I honestly usually run it aorund 10kw or less and let it swing real high.I come on the bowl every once and a while i have a life so im not on ever minute like some people.I also live on a peninsula on long island sound surrounded by multi million dollar houses so i really cant get away with using it every day.Bit when the conditions are right and i get on i always get the five.The water is 100ft away from my house going towards skip and 15oor so on the other side and towards the point around 400 or so.Like i said im on a peninsula.You could have all the watts in the world but location plays a huge part in how you get out.Along with conditions and how your antennas setup.And ill show pics and show it working unlike some people.

bigampbuilder
04-11-2010, 03:20 PM
i dont like having to use a tiny driver. with just my radio i can key over 10kw.

sky hawk in the big horn
04-11-2010, 06:23 PM
There are monsters hiding in the shadows... be careful not to wake them..





How does he know they are out there if no one knows about they yet?



They are not in a hurry and probably havent been on the air in 5-10 years, waiting for dx to really get going like it used to.




All these guys are preparing for the cycle, even though this year is the first year of the upswing its still NOTHING compared to the peak. If these guys can get their shit together and their gear working in 4 -5 years it should be really fun when the skip rolls.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y78h1C-Itl8"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y78h1C-Itl8
Here is an example of these that people do not believe exist... cycle is coming closer. This is one that has recently came back.... Reason he left. Cycle left. Reason he has came back??? Figure it out.... They do exist but like to remain quiet about what they got.

sky hawk in the big horn
04-11-2010, 06:30 PM
But be warned if you try to shoot out to him. He will duck you..... This is not my gate but I do have gates to where we was so close that my relays rattle..... and he is ducking who was in my radio....... FYI for those who talk on 6.

dirtydickdan064
04-11-2010, 07:15 PM
who polarbear?

mrsuburban
04-11-2010, 08:14 PM
big red was off with the pep rating thats all.I can do 80k pep or more depending on how i drive it.I honestly usually run it aorund 10kw or less and let it swing real high.I come on the bowl every once and a while i have a life so im not on ever minute like some people.I also live on a peninsula on long island sound surrounded by multi million dollar houses so i really cant get away with using it every day.Bit when the conditions are right and i get on i always get the five.The water is 100ft away from my house going towards skip and 15oor so on the other side and towards the point around 400 or so.Like i said im on a peninsula.You could have all the watts in the world but location plays a huge part in how you get out.Along with conditions and how your antennas setup.And ill show pics and show it working unlike some people.


He was off on more than that
Big Red said
"AND FOR THE RECORD I TALKED TO HIM TODAY
60KW ON A BIRD 100kw H SLUG NO PEP KIT SO SIT DOWN AND KEEP TO YOUR SELF "

He said it wasnt PEP you were doing 60 KW Bird, Mobile Boss said you werent he got banned for arguing with someone who dont know any better, others accused him of not knowing it is clearly the other way around. Living on a peninula is great it doesnt make your amp do more watts though, just as in real estate location location location but more importantly is Conditions conditions conditions, I been in this game since 1976 know who most of the big boys are even if they are hiding there stuff in barns and garages.

mrsuburban
04-11-2010, 08:22 PM
Of course you can key more than 30, if you can peak it you can dead key it. I am sure he is ok but trying to tell someone who knows what they are talking about they are wrong is pretty stupid. Especially when u have come on here and said exactly what the guy he was trying to prove wrong said.

bigampbuilder
04-11-2010, 08:29 PM
Your right it doesnt make my amp do more watts but it gives me a big advantage.To gain 1 s unit from 20kw you would need 80kw thats if you keep the same antenna.Living next to a large body of water is always better then living on land.The only better place to live is on an island.Any one can build a big watt box hell i have a garage full of them right now.But it takes skill to build a box that needs very little drive that actually swings foward rms and sounds good.A box builder over here tried to convince me to drop another 15000 tube in my broadcast amp i have all of the parts i was like why.That why anyone with half a brain knows 5k is enough as long as conditions are right.So if i dropped another tube in i would get what double and whats that half a true s unit.

bigampbuilder
04-11-2010, 08:31 PM
For example theres a guy with the same antenna as me same radio antennas at the same height and hes not even a half a mile inland and hes higher above see level and he gives every one in skip and local people a couple s units less then me.

bigampbuilder
04-11-2010, 08:31 PM
I would love to see pictures of your setup

bigampbuilder
04-11-2010, 08:35 PM
I think we should talk about how some people make up fake watts or their meters show fake watts.For example at the keydown a week or 2 ago when a guy with a blue gil box keyed on a guy with a ghost rider box that was said to have over 100k of output and blue gills box had less then 80k.And he did it twice.My buddy saw it with his own eyes.Im not sure which state it happened in but it was down south i can find out all the particulars if need be.

bigampbuilder
04-11-2010, 08:52 PM
How many guys in this topic actually have big boxes.

mrsuburban
04-11-2010, 09:03 PM
Your right it doesnt make my amp do more watts but it gives me a big advantage.To gain 1 s unit from 20kw you would need 80kw thats if you keep the same antenna.Living next to a large body of water is always better then living on land.The only better place to live is on an island.Any one can build a big watt box hell i have a garage full of them right now.But it takes skill to build a box that needs very little drive that actually swings foward rms and sounds good.A box builder over here tried to convince me to drop another 15000 tube in my broadcast amp i have all of the parts i was like why.That why anyone with half a brain knows 5k is enough as long as conditions are right.So if i dropped another tube in i would get what double and whats that half a true s unit.

I understand what you are saying living near the water is a great benefit from less ground losses to less hysteris losses from surrounding objects.
Hell anyone with half a brain knows you dont need 100 watts when the skip cycle is in effect, it makes me wonder why are all these guys hiding these big amps in barns and garages until then when a barefoot radio talks dx easily.

For example theres a guy with the same antenna as me same radio antennas at the same height and hes not even a half a mile inland and hes higher above see level and he gives every one in skip and local people a couple s units less then me.

Less ground losses for you

prometheus
04-11-2010, 09:10 PM
So..is this antenna that fatboy is making anygood?

mrsuburban
04-11-2010, 09:15 PM
I think we should talk about how some people make up fake watts or their meters show fake watts.For example at the keydown a week or 2 ago when a guy with a blue gil box keyed on a guy with a ghost rider box that was said to have over 100k of output and blue gills box had less then 80k.And he did it twice.My buddy saw it with his own eyes.Im not sure which state it happened in but it was down south i can find out all the particulars if need be.

Well the problem lies in the way the info is distributed, there are people who claim this and that and they are going off of heresay and word of mouth, just as what happened earlier in this thread. People talk like they have facts and in the end you can't mess with proven theory. There are many reasons at keydowns guy with more watts lose. Ghostrider may have been deadkeying 100kw but when he talked it sure didnt go forward, I do know he has 10- 1.5 amp transformers on the plate, grounded grid. They keyed in Augusta, GA over the Easter weekend. Most people dont realize the support components needed, layout etc for amps that are able to actually do over 50kw

bigampbuilder
04-11-2010, 09:38 PM
I have heard so many stories from people who actually own the amplifiers.But when i have actually asked to see it 9 times out of 10 it didnt match what was said or they wouldnt show me.I have seen alot of drag races boxes that work for a week or so and then blow up i have also seen people who run power but have a super high swr and tried to explain to them that the high swr will affect what they see for power on there bird meter.Most amps i have seen almost all of them are pushed to the limit and do nothing but swing backwards rms.Thats why that wizard guy demonstartes all of his amps with a peak kit.Because his amps swing backwards rms.Actually if you talk to him he will tell you its impossible to get a bird meter to swing foward without the peak kit.I dont use peak meters and the people over here on the east coast frown upon them.Alot of times the owner of the amp only knows what the builder told them and thats it.Another great advantage is great audio with foward swing which gives you over 100% modulation.

bigampbuilder
04-11-2010, 09:43 PM
My buddy jose told me about the keydown he was there.I guess the 2 guys who were keying bet 5k each key.He owns a tire shop in newark nj.He lives in pa he has a dual 15000 triode box that muddy waters made and a 400 amp service with a 100 kva pole pig on the pole and inside his shop where his amp is in pa.It was built by muddy waters but it doesnt work yet.I drove up there and checked it all out took me 3 1/2 hours.Muddy waters has since passed away

bigampbuilder
04-11-2010, 09:44 PM
check out a1 antennas the interceptor 10k or the 25k

dirtydickdan064
04-12-2010, 03:42 AM
My buddy jose told me about the keydown he was there.I guess the 2 guys who were keying bet 5k each key.He owns a tire shop in newark nj.He lives in pa he has a dual 15000 triode box that muddy waters made and a 400 amp service with a 100 kva pole pig on the pole and inside his shop where his amp is in pa.It was built by muddy waters but it doesnt work yet.I drove up there and checked it all out took me 3 1/2 hours.Muddy waters has since passed away

doesnt matter wat ur buddy told you.....where they running the same antenna system..? how do u kno that one of them were pointing right at the gate station and the other was slightly off (witch makes a big difference)...? these are questions u need to ask and get answer's too

sky hawk in the big horn
04-12-2010, 10:30 AM
who polarbear?

He is just exactly what linny was warning about..... There are monsters hiding in the shadows.... Be careful not to wake them

mrsuburban
04-12-2010, 11:28 AM
He is just exactly what linny was warning about..... There are monsters hiding in the shadows.... Be careful not to wake them

Polar Bear is supposed to have exactly what? Why is he a monster that we are to fear on the air?

bigampbuilder
04-12-2010, 11:47 AM
he still won didnt he.Looks kinda bad to be beat by someone with alot less power atleast twice.I know i wouldnt buy a ghost rider amp after that.I heard that this isnt the first time ghost rider was beat.I heard at another keydown ghost rider had built a few boxes for small driver maybe and the guy had a few vehicles and got beat in every one by a guy with a blue gill box.Like i said before i can get all of the info if needed my buddy may even have a copy of the water gate.

I dont know what direction the loser was pointed or what antennas he had but he got beat atleast twice in a row.So if he was pointing in the wrong direction he could have moved and he could have changed out anttenas for the second run.

bigampbuilder
04-12-2010, 11:51 AM
Im not sure about this but didnt ghost rider key it up for him.If ghost rider made the amp dont you think he helped with the antenna system.This just shows you that the builder got beat and that the other builder is better.If i were the guy who bought the amp from ghost rider and had gotten beat like that i would be pissed off big time.

sky hawk in the big horn
04-12-2010, 12:19 PM
Polar Bear is supposed to have exactly what? Why is he a monster that we are to fear on the air?

I am not saying....... the man does not want people knowing his bus.... but they do exist

dirtydickdan064
04-12-2010, 12:23 PM
Im not sure about this but didnt ghost rider key it up for him.If ghost rider made the amp dont you think he helped with the antenna system.This just shows you that the builder got beat and that the other builder is better.If i were the guy who bought the amp from ghost rider and had gotten beat like that i would be pissed off big time.

dude TO EACH THERE OWN...

bigampbuilder
04-12-2010, 12:24 PM
what is he scared of.Sounds like it doesnt exist.

Why else would he hide what ever he has.My thoughts 1.because its not all that great 2.he doesnt have anything. 3. That when he gets keyed on that he will look really bad if he gets keyed on by some one with less power.

The way i look at it if you cant show pics or show what you got then dont say anything because there are way to many bull -------s out there. Cant belive it unless you see it.

gunslinger338
04-12-2010, 12:30 PM
Dont make me hit tha Big Switch :lol:

http://www.sparkyscbshack.com/i//texas_star_modv.jpg

-=PEAKABOO=-
04-12-2010, 01:22 PM
Im not sure about this but didnt ghost rider key it up for him.If ghost rider made the amp dont you think he helped with the antenna system.This just shows you that the builder got beat and that the other builder is better.If i were the guy who bought the amp from ghost rider and had gotten beat like that i would be pissed off big time.

There is a lot of variables that can cause a win or loss at a keydown, antennas alone can make a huge difference even if they look the same on each vehicle. The left side might have a BIG advantage over the right side. This is the reason a lot of people quit keying down. To much luck involved.

-=PEAKABOO=-
04-12-2010, 01:26 PM
Some people are just very secretive, kind of like people were in the 70's about the "foot warmer" under there seat.


what is he scared of.Sounds like it doesnt exist.

Why else would he hide what ever he has.My thoughts 1.because its not all that great 2.he doesnt have anything. 3. That when he gets keyed on that he will look really bad if he gets keyed on by some one with less power.

The way i look at it if you cant show pics or show what you got then dont say anything because there are way to many bull -------s out there. Cant belive it unless you see it.

bigampbuilder
04-12-2010, 01:29 PM
I honestly think its a waste of money.I guess if you cant have a big base for whatever reason like you live in the ghetto or in a apartment or condo or whatever i guess it makes sense to have a bog mobile.But i always thought having a big base is the way to go.Mobils dont have a chance against base stations when trying to talk skip.The guys in ct get them because they cant talk out of there house and they just drive near who they are trying to talk to so no one gets in between them which is kinda pothetic.
When its 10 degrees out or late at night i would much rather be in my safe warm house then driving around in a old suburban worrying about belts breaking having to set antennas up or worse breaking down.

bigampbuilder
04-12-2010, 01:32 PM
I can see that yes some people are secretive but those kinda people dont say i have all of these watts but i cant tell you what.They just dont say anything and they just key and kick butt.The guys who say they have all sorts of stuff but wont say what are usually 9 times out of 10 full of it.

10 Gauge
04-12-2010, 01:34 PM
This thread has gone so far off topic it's ridiculous.

Y'all can start a new thread if ya want, but this one is supposed to be about the Merlin.

-=PEAKABOO=-
04-12-2010, 02:22 PM
I can see that yes some people are secretive but those kinda people dont say i have all of these watts but i cant tell you what.They just dont say anything and they just key and kick butt.The guys who say they have all sorts of stuff but wont say what are usually 9 times out of 10 full of it.

i agree.

dirtydickdan064
04-12-2010, 02:30 PM
I honestly think its a waste of money.I guess if you cant have a big base for whatever reason like you live in the ghetto or in a apartment or condo or whatever i guess it makes sense to have a bog mobile.But i always thought having a big base is the way to go.Mobils dont have a chance against base stations when trying to talk skip.The guys in ct get them because they cant talk out of there house and they just drive near who they are trying to talk to so no one gets in between them which is kinda pothetic.
When its 10 degrees out or late at night i would much rather be in my safe warm house then driving around in a old suburban worrying about belts breaking having to set antennas up or worse breaking down.
thats a load of bullshit.....myself and other on these forum and all around probley talked skiped better in a mobile then a base quite a few times....there are advantages and disadvantages to a mobile and a base....

again wat u need to understand is ...TO EACH THERE OWN
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bigampbuilder
04-12-2010, 02:31 PM
just replied to what had already been typed

bigampbuilder
04-12-2010, 02:34 PM
name 1 advantage other then they can pick there location.If the base is already in a great location how could a mobile comepete.Their antenna is alot lower.Like the other guy said we are off subject.I just call it like i see it i stomp on mobils in ct all the time.Even mobiles that have more power then me.

dirtydickdan064
04-12-2010, 02:40 PM
name 1 advantage other then they can pick there location.If the base is already in a great location how could a mobile comepete.Their antenna is alot lower.Like the other guy said we are off subject.I just call it like i see it i stomp on mobils in ct all the time.Even mobiles that have more power then me.

ok u may kno alot about amps but thats about it with this comment

dirtydickdan064
04-12-2010, 02:43 PM
This thread has gone so far off topic it's ridiculous.

Y'all can start a new thread if ya want, but this one is supposed to be about the Merlin.

ya so anyway....fatboyy is makin one now....why is fatboy trying to copy everything terry is building..? just like fatboy did with DAVEMADE.....motherfuckers just arent smart enough to come up with there own shit

bigampbuilder
04-12-2010, 02:44 PM
whatever you say.

bigampbuilder
04-12-2010, 02:46 PM
So are you impliying that becuase i said a mobiles antenna is lower then a base that i dont know what im talking about.Let me ask you this whats the optimum height for skip talking on the 11 meter band mr dirty click dan.

gunslinger338
04-12-2010, 02:47 PM
I'll attempt to get this is back on topic..
Hear goes ...............................................

It is widely known that the Merlin antenna will key on any mobile or base application known to man.
It is a 30+ db antenna with supper condition making capabilities.

there you go..... Back on Topic


:lol:

bigampbuilder
04-12-2010, 02:47 PM
so how many mobiles do you see out there with there antennas up atleast 30 ft.

bigampbuilder
04-12-2010, 02:47 PM
do you have a pic of the antenna that you can post out here

10 Gauge
04-12-2010, 02:48 PM
I'll attempt to get this is back on topic..
Hear goes ...............................................

It is widely known that the Merlin antenna will key on any mobile or base application known to man.
It is a 30+ db antenna with supper condition making capabilities.

there you go..... Back on Topic


:lol:
:nono: C'mon GS, lol.

gunslinger338
04-12-2010, 02:51 PM
:nono: C'mon GS, lol.

HAHAHAHAA...sorry ,,, i had too

10 Gauge
04-12-2010, 02:54 PM
I can count on you with that statement like clockwork cant I? haha

gunslinger338
04-12-2010, 02:58 PM
I can count on you with that statement like clockwork cant I? haha

everyone pokes a stick in an ant bed every now and then !!!
LOL....
I aint no hater ... I'll be trying the Merlin real soon ..

dirtydickdan064
04-12-2010, 03:19 PM
look at me go with my FATBOY merlin antenna 30ft in the air on my scooter

sky hawk in the big horn
04-12-2010, 03:28 PM
Dont make me hit tha Big Switch :lol:

http://www.sparkyscbshack.com/i//texas_star_modv.jpg
Do it gunslinger...... Hit that big switch.... LMAO


Some people are just very secretive, kind of like people were in the 70's about the "foot warmer" under there seat.
Peakaboo none of these damn so called internet ducks I have seen...... And that is what I am calling these bastards..... Cause all they want to do is cause hate and discontent. Do not remember or was not around to have to fear uncle charlie enforcing the rules. Those of us that do remember or even in worse cases like me was caught know why we choose having mobiles. Pick our spots to where we key. Limit passing the same places all the time.... etc etc etc from it ever happening again......


I'll attempt to get this is back on topic..
Hear goes ...............................................

It is widely known that the Merlin antenna will key on any mobile or base application known to man.
It is a 30+ db antenna with supper condition making capabilities.

there you go..... Back on Topic


:lol:
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOO


so how many mobiles do you see out there with there antennas up atleast 30 ft.
There are quite a few dxer's that take the mobiles out from time to time and place them to base antennas, with push up poles, bottom sections of towers etc...... We sit in a spot and hammer the hell our of bases with the same type of antennas as you but we can choose our locations. Me personally I have a 30 foot push up pole that I place a M105 on from time to time. Just bought a M103 to get the boom and elements to I can turn it into a 108 for the portable.


I can count on you with that statement like clockwork cant I? haha
You can bet on that every time 10 gauge.


do you have a pic of the antenna that you can post out here
Please note that they told us that we could not key. This was last year in manchester. I did not have my push up pole with me but tagalong which is a local in the area had the bottom portion of the tower already strapped to his truck and conditions started to roll. So we put the 105 together and up, in 15 mins. Lets see if you know how that beam can be put together in 15 min being you know every fucking thing. (Still needed to finish tightening one element but we done put it up there when they came over and told us that we could not key at the motel :lol::lol::lol:) Hmmmmm sounds like someone done has made the motel management mad due to bleed over into the computer system before..... Or even worse got into walmart which is behind motel:lol::lol::lol:
In the picture is wingnut and tagalong.

http://i661.photobucket.com/albums/uu331/606buckeye/28goodtimegang077.jpg
And for a side note. Here is a homebrew antenna system that works quite efficiently for its application. Now note if any of you talk to 185 out of smokey hills..... Note he is just working a 4 or 8 pill. His 32 pill is still having issues and being redone by Red Bone.
http://i661.photobucket.com/albums/uu331/606buckeye/l_0d7cb3c5a9c54327b70c34e82693f9121.jpg

Me personally I am considering ordering a merlin due to the fact that it would be much simpler to put it up on 30 foot pushup pole than the beam. But what would make me to choose between the beams and vertical would be what mother nature conditions are doing at that time. I have seen times where flat dominates over the vertical..... I have seen times where the vertical dominates over the flat side. Just depends on mother nature mood at the point in time.

dirtydickdan064
04-12-2010, 03:42 PM
so how many mobiles do you see out there with there antennas up atleast 30 ft.

oh ya and smartguy its not always 30FT....depending wat ur elevation already is...above sea level and ground level

bigampbuilder
04-12-2010, 03:58 PM
ever try circular polarization

bigampbuilder
04-12-2010, 03:59 PM
best of both worlds

sky hawk in the big horn
04-12-2010, 06:09 PM
what is he scared of.Sounds like it doesnt exist.

Why else would he hide what ever he has.My thoughts 1.because its not all that great 2.he doesnt have anything. 3. That when he gets keyed on that he will look really bad if he gets keyed on by some one with less power.

The way i look at it if you cant show pics or show what you got then dont say anything because there are way to many bull -------s out there. Cant belive it unless you see it.


I can see that yes some people are secretive but those kinda people dont say i have all of these watts but i cant tell you what.They just dont say anything and they just key and kick butt.The guys who say they have all sorts of stuff but wont say what are usually 9 times out of 10 full of it.


i agree.


ever try circular polarization
Why would I want a quad. More antenna to set up? Then when you go with it.... If it is vertical conditions..... The straight up vertical beam would still dominate. If horizontal conditions then the flat beams would dominate. In the mobile application going from vertical to horizontal is just as easy as loosing the nuts on the bracket and twist the boom.

Here is another prime example of mobile guy that has setup a base killer mobile. I have even seen setups that there are no alt to run the boxs. Put a generator on to your trailer that can handle your power needs. IMO is the way to go. The alt whine gets into your audio. And if that gets into my audio that I am planning on doing here soon. Then it will degrade the wideband sound IMO...... More to come

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqvtjKI9nPg"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqvtjKI9nPg


Has anyone tried the fatboy version yet???? I would like some input on it if you do not mind.

26fb456
04-12-2010, 06:52 PM
if you guys are going to run beams on mobiles why not just get a dual polarity antenna and be done with it?

bigampbuilder
04-12-2010, 07:14 PM
Well a quad offers 2 db gain over a yagi if i remember correctly.And im sure you know 2 yagis stacked will give you 3db over 1 single yagi.3db thats like doubling your power output.

I never said you should try this with a mobile.But it can be done i would hate to be there keying and then have the cops show up.LOL

You could even stack to antennas like a shooting star and use vac relays to switch between the flat and verticle or circular polarization.And only have 1 piece of coax and 2 vacuum variables for the gammas.

bigampbuilder
04-12-2010, 07:15 PM
even a better thought move some where else so you can put up a tower and key from your house.That probably makes the best sense.

wiretwister
04-12-2010, 07:18 PM
I would have to agree..........comfort of home sounds really good......using my Homebrew Quad sounds even better.

bigampbuilder
04-12-2010, 07:20 PM
3336

bigampbuilder
04-12-2010, 07:23 PM
My beam before put it up just a 4 element but dont want to be to directional.Check out the water in the background.I was always told a 4 or 5 is all you need when you have big power.After a 5 the multiplication factor doesnt change much and just gets really narrow.

wiretwister
04-12-2010, 07:23 PM
Whats on top of the tower??

bigampbuilder
04-12-2010, 07:27 PM
3337An interceptor 25k i do mostly local talking.It doesnt come over a thing.Unlike the beam that comes over everything.

bigampbuilder
04-12-2010, 07:28 PM
beam is up 35 ft inteceptor 70 at the base.

wiretwister
04-12-2010, 07:33 PM
interceptor doesnt get into nothing.....why is that ?? because of the height ??
My beam had TVI out the yang.

sky hawk in the big horn
04-12-2010, 07:51 PM
I never said you should try this with a mobile.But it can be done i would hate to be there keying and then have the cops show up.LOL


LMAO and keying from the same lat and long...... Means..... they do not have to pinpoint very hard. And trust me from my own personal experience. They do show up as early as 7:00 am in the morning. There is no big array of vehicles as the legends state. One suburban, one county (parish if you live in one of the states that have parishes instead of county.) , one state......


Now back to the subject. Has anyone bought one of these from fatboy yet?
Because I am looking for a GP to add to the mobile. I have been thinking about setting a trailer-ed crankup pole setup so when the cycle hits its peak. Take a 5 to 6 month vacation and chase the dx like storm chasers chases storms.

bigampbuilder
04-12-2010, 08:01 PM
interceptor doesnt get into nothing.....why is that ?? because of the height ??
My beam had TVI out the yang.
I can run up to a few k and not come over my neighbors stuff thats rms.But anything past that and forget about it.I can go full amoke and not come over anything in my house including my stereo.I do make my tvs fuzzy though.

wiretwister
04-12-2010, 08:03 PM
21 pages and no answer???? I would like to know if its all that as well, Ive heard no TVI either..........Anyone??

Wire

bigampbuilder
04-12-2010, 08:03 PM
its the antenna has nothing to do with the height.Check out his website

bigampbuilder
04-12-2010, 08:04 PM
I learned a long time ago you get what you pay for.

monkeybase
04-12-2010, 10:10 PM
hell i need more power being middle of nowhere
cloeset neighbor 90 miles away can t piss noone off

duckkiller127
04-13-2010, 08:03 AM
Has anyone tried the fatboy version yet???? I would like some input on it if you do not mind.

At the moment Fatboy is ONLY SELLING the merlin, he is buying those from 55 and shipping them, i got this from 55 himself
it is not the same situation as the Mobile antennas where fatboy makes them at present time

sky hawk in the big horn
04-13-2010, 05:36 PM
At the moment Fatboy is ONLY SELLING the merlin, he is buying those from 55 and shipping them, i got this from 55 himself
it is not the same situation as the Mobile antennas where fatboy makes them at present time

Thank you duckkiller.

coolbreeze
04-13-2010, 09:47 PM
the people using the merlin have seen a reduction in tvi over the interceptor 10k. which already has a good rep for reducing it.

wiretwister
04-13-2010, 10:22 PM
I dont want to reduce it.......I want it GONE.

Wire

coolbreeze
04-13-2010, 10:36 PM
i cant tell you it will be gone. you may not have tvi issues. you may be front end overloading the tv of phone. your cant fix that.

what antenna do you have now

duckkiller127
04-14-2010, 08:35 AM
I dont want to reduce it.......I want it GONE.

Wire

We all do, but the Practicality/Reality of it is this....there are two Root sources of RFI
One being your system, weather it be a loose connection, crap antenna, corroded slip joint in a antenna, crap coax, etc
this we can just strive to do the best installation possible

the OTHER being crap components that is being interfered with, I have a Neighbor that the ONLY thing that does not bleed on their crap, walmart $9 telephone it a BONE stock radio with about 80% modulation, ANYTHING else completely wipes it out, basically no matter how good an antenna is, it RARELY fixes direct front end overload, it MAY reduce or eliminate it in some rare cases but typically swapping antennas won't do it unless you were previously running a Bleedstick

wiretwister
04-14-2010, 01:44 PM
I have a bleedstick and a dipole.......soon a inverted V, I had a maco comet (it was bad also).
I use a Bencher filter All good rg-8 coax, Icom 707 and a clipperton-L is my main rig.,I use a roller tuner also.
Its not that bad with the dipole.....bleedstick sucks, If I run the xforce 6 pill....its Bad..anything over around 200 watts gets my surround sound.

Wire

duckkiller127
04-14-2010, 02:36 PM
I have a bleedstick and a dipole.......soon a inverted V, I had a maco comet (it was bad also).
I use a Bencher filter All good rg-8 coax, Icom 707 and a clipperton-L is my main rig.,I use a roller tuner also.
Its not that bad with the dipole.....bleedstick sucks, If I run the xforce 6 pill....its Bad..anything over around 200 watts gets my surround sound.

Wire

Either you're overloading the amp or the wire running to the speakers is acting as an antenna, not much you can do if it's front end overload, but if the wires acting as an antenna you can put some .01's across the speaker wire at the speaker connection or get some ferrites and put chokes at the speaker

wiretwister
04-14-2010, 05:58 PM
So....Duckkiller, sounds as if your take is a merlin or a 10k is not the answer at all.......Im not up to just wasting money on antenna's...
Ive been at this 40 years+ and have built/bought many different antenna arrays, Ive yet to see one that didnt eat the block when the heat is on, With clean radio's as well ( and some of the dirty ones).......
Really, the setup I run today just gets my surround sound...computer speakers, neighbors not bitching but that doesnt mean Im not tearing them up.....Im not gonna ask them, Im concealed ,stealth if you will....I plan on staying that way.
I just want it gone at my QTH, then the block should be OK.
Since digital TV, that was a huge help.......Im not in the picture at all on my TV, even on a antenna.
Main bitch is the wife being in the surround sound, I do need to try the ferrite coils,that may do the trick.

Wire

duckkiller127
04-15-2010, 09:57 AM
So....Duckkiller, sounds as if your take is a merlin or a 10k is not the answer at all.......Im not up to just wasting money on antenna's...
Ive been at this 40 years+ and have built/bought many different antenna arrays, Ive yet to see one that didnt eat the block when the heat is on, With clean radio's as well ( and some of the dirty ones).......
Really, the setup I run today just gets my surround sound...computer speakers, neighbors not bitching but that doesnt mean Im not tearing them up.....Im not gonna ask them, Im concealed ,stealth if you will....I plan on staying that way.
I just want it gone at my QTH, then the block should be OK.
Since digital TV, that was a huge help.......Im not in the picture at all on my TV, even on a antenna.
Main bitch is the wife being in the surround sound, I do need to try the ferrite coils,that may do the trick.

Wire

I said it MAY or MAY not be the antenna, that's all,
i know in MY case an Anttron and a Imax completely wiped out the neighbor's at any power level, the 10K and Merlin ARE better, in my case, but are not ALWAYS a fix, people SO MANY times buy an antenna because of claims of they Do this or do that to fix RFI when the antenna isn't ALWAYS the problem, it's like this, you're bleeding from your leg profusely but you put the tourniquet on you arm...

if the ferrites don't work try a couple .01 caps across the leads, between the two it almost always works, but then again, if it is the front end of the receiver you are getting into, the ferrites and caps do little sometimes, it's all about finding out WHERE the RF is entering said object


the same can be said for low pass filters...i know of many people that SWEAR that they do NOTHING...this isn't true, it's just the fact that a 2nd or 3rd order harmonic isn't the problem

you just need to experiment and find the right fix for the problem you particularly have

bigampbuilder
06-23-2010, 11:14 PM
I can key 20k and swing foward not backwards thats on a rms bird watcher meter.And not come through my home theatre which consists of carver gear.I should mention i run a highly modified ham radio so it has filtering on its output unlike a cb.I run a interceptor 25k for local talking.When i go to the beam forget about it if i run just a little bit of power it tears up the stereo.

bigampbuilder
06-23-2010, 11:16 PM
If you run alot of power you will always come over somthing.Just move out to the sticks buy 20 or so acres some where.